How are Hinduism and Sikhism related, considering they both originated in Punjab, India?

ਮਰਤੀ ਬਾਰ ਮਗਹਰਿ ਉਠਿ ਆਇਆ ॥੨॥

For many years, I practiced penance and intense meditation at Kaashi;

That God showed me the Guru, within my own mind. ||1||

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— Kabir, Ramaini 1, Translated by David Lorenzen

Raamaanand Jee, First House:

Recklessly they display boundless pride while explaining their own aims, they kill cows.

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He who has highest Bhakti of Deva (God), just like his Deva, so for his Guru (teacher),

then who is there to know what happens without?

Ramananda accepted disciples without discriminating against anyone by gender, class or caste and they included even people from humble origins like

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There is my Lord self-revealed, and the scent of sandal and flowers dwells in those deeps.

I left Benares - I had little common sense. ||1|| Pause ||

— Kabir, II.57, Translated by Rabindranath Tagore

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I serve the One Lord, and not any other. ||2||

One day, a desire welled up in my mind.

I do not make pilgrimages to Mecca, nor do I worship at Hindu sacred shrines.

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Sadhna (a Muslim butcher) and

He accepted even women (Sursuri and Padywati) as disciples. Bhagat Pipa and Dhanna were Rajput and Jat who were also his disciples.

ਘਸਿ ਚੰਦਨ ਚੋਆ ਬਹੁ ਸੁਗੰਧ ॥

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ਨਾ ਹਮ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਨ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ ॥

I would go there, only if the Lord were not here. ||2||

Ravidas (a chamar shoemaker)

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ਕੈਸੇ ਬੂਝੈ ਜਬ ਮੋਹਿਆ ਹੈ ਮਾਇਆ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

ਗੁਰ ਪੀਰ ਮਿਲਿ ਖੁਦਿ ਖਸਮੁ ਪਛਾਨਾ ॥੫॥੩॥

ਕਤ ਜਾਈਐ ਰੇ ਘਰ ਲਾਗੋ ਰੰਗੁ ॥

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ਕਹੁ ਕਬੀਰ ਇਹ ਕਹੀਐ ਕਾਹਿ ॥

Gauree, Kabeer Jee, Panch-Padas:

Raamaanand's Lord and Master is the All-pervading Lord God.

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All the men and women of the world are His living forms.

Now tell me, Lord, what will my condition be?

Meeting with the Guru, my Spiritual Teacher, I realize God, my Lord and Master. ||5||3||

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Sikhism is a NIRGUN path descending from the Sant Sampraday of Ramanandacharya and traces its ideas to VEDANTA!

For him Dharma was beyond everything physical including the desire for heaven because was fully into the NIRGUN . The last verse shows that according to him the company of the enlightened Sadhus is heaven which is again a typical teaching of Sanatana Dharma.

Here ਨਿਰਗੁਣ is Nirgun and not just lord. This is just another example to show that Kabir himself continued in the NIRGUN BHAKTI path.

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ਕਹੁ ਕਬੀਰ ਇਹੁ ਕੀਆ ਵਖਾਨਾ ॥

ਗਉੜੀ ਕਬੀਰ ਜੀ ਪੰਚਪਦੇ ॥

ਊਹਾਂ ਤਉ ਜਾਈਐ ਜਉ ਈਹਾਂ ਨ ਹੋਇ ॥੨॥

My consciousness does not go out wandering. My mind has become crippled. ||1|| Pause ||

Ramanandacharya’s teachings were centered on pure and personal connection with the God Rama and didn’t believe in any kind of formal ritualism. He used the common vernacular language instead of Sanskrit so that everyone could understand.

That Kabeer died chanting the Lord's Name. ||5||15||

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Gauri / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 325

Where millions of Shivas are lost in contemplation, where millions of Indras dwell in the sky,

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CONCLUSION:

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Gauri / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 326

Here ਰਾਮੈ is Rama and not just lord. Kabir died chanting the name of Rama DESPITE him not finding any result of penances done in holy cities in his previous birth. Another example to show how much Kabir valued personal devotion to Rama in his own NIRGUN style.

Kabir is the child of Allah and of Ram: He is my Guru, He is my Pir.

ਸੋ ਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਬਤਾਇਓ ਗੁਰ ਮਨ ਹੀ ਮਾਹਿ ॥੧॥

You are totally pervading and permeating in all.

Kabeer: O worthless mortal, do not lose the Naam, the Name of the Lord.

Raamaanand's Lord and Master is the All-pervading Lord God.

NOW…

ਹਜ ਕਾਬੈ ਜਾਉ ਨ ਤੀਰਥ ਪੂਜਾ ॥

So in the same spirit Kabir finds pilgrimages to holy cities futile as his mind is fixated on Rama!

Let’s look at the most used verse by McSikhs to show that Sikhs are neither Hindus nor Muslims.

ਕਬੀਰ ਨਿਰਗੁਣ ਨਾਮ ਨ ਰੋਸੁ ॥

ਤਜੀ ਲੇ ਬਨਾਰਸ ਮਤਿ ਭਈ ਥੋਰੀ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

The Sant Sampraday of Sikh panth integrates the warrior spirit of the Nihangs and Khalsa, the service of Seva panth and the renunciation of Udasi/Nirmala saints.

Bhakti movement began in South (Tamil Nadu to be precise) and slowly spread to Northern parts of India. This movement was extremely popular because of its simple fundamentals which could be understood by even commonfolk. Vaishnavism, Shaivism etc… were already connecting with commonfolk from a long time and this Bhakti movement reinforced it by making the devotee feel a personal connection with the deity.

We have searched the turaki Dharam (Turk's religion, Islam), these teachers throw many thunderbolts,

ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਮੈ ਬਲਿਹਾਰੀ ਤੋਰ ॥

I ground up sandalwood, along with several fragrant oils.

Because in my previous life, I did not practice penance and intense meditation. ||1||

ਜਬ ਲਗੁ ਮਨਿ ਬੈਕੁੰਠ ਕੀ ਆਸ ॥

Says Kabeer, this is what I say:

Ramanandacharya was a 14th-century Hindu Vaishnava devotional poet saint who amalgamated Advaita with Vaishnava Bhakti. He was the pioneer in validating NIRGUN and SAGUN Bhakti as parallel paths.

We can understand that Kabir despite being in favor of formless worship was very much embedded in the Dharmik fold but always preached in the spirit of the transcendental nature of Brahman to the point that HE LOST THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN HINDU AND MUSLIM.

ਕਹੁ ਗੁਰ ਗਜ ਸਿਵ ਸਭੁ ਕੋ ਜਾਨੈ ॥

ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਰਮਤ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ॥

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Gauri / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 325

ਪੂਰਬ ਜਨਮ ਹਉ ਤਪ ਕਾ ਹੀਨਾ ॥੧॥

There, where millions of Krishnas stand with hands folded,

ਮੁਆ ਕਬੀਰੁ ਰਮਤ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਾਮੈ ॥੫॥੧੫॥

I have taken the One Formless Lord into my heart; I humbly worship Him there. ||3||

ਬ੍ਰਹਮ is Brahm i.e the Brahman of vedanta but it gets interpreted as an all-pervading lord god.

From Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 1195

ਏਕ ਦਿਵਸ ਮਨ ਭਈ ਉਮੰਗ ॥

ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥

But we have actually seen how much Kabir is also rooted in the Vedantic concept of “supreme realization” but in a non-mainstream path.

My body and breath of life belong to Allah - to Raam - the God of both. ||4||

I have searched through all the Vedas and the Puraanas.

Kabir (a weaver)

The Word of the Guru's Shabad eradicates the karma of millions of past actions. ||3||1||

From where did the word Maya come? Isn’t it a typical Vedantic concept discussed profoundly in Advaita? It definitely isn’t a concept pioneered by Kabir or even his teacher Ramanandacharya! It is ultimately from Sanatana Dharma!

How can they kill the mother, whose milk they drink like that of a wet nurse?

ਜਿਨਿ ਸਕਲ ਬਿਕਲ ਭ੍ਰਮ ਕਾਟੇ ਮੋਰ ॥

Look within your heart, for there you will find both Karim and Ram;

These morons know nothing, they wander about in ignorance,

You have cut through all my confusion and doubt.

Actually, this part of the Ang 326 is widely used by McSikhs to show that Sikhism considers Hindu pilgrimages as useless and thus drives home the point again that the “religion” has got NOTHING to do with Hinduism.

ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਜੀ ਘਰੁ ੧

Kabir, Ravidas and ultimately the NINE SIKH GURUS are a product of this very Sant Sampraday founded by Ramanandacharya!

I do not perform Hindu worship services, nor do I offer the Muslim prayers.

How can people understand You, when they are entranced by Maya? ||1|| Pause ||

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Says Kabeer, the Guru and Ganaysha and Shiva all know

Where spring, the lord of seasons reigneth, there the unstruck music sounds of itself,

ਅਬ ਕਹੁ ਰਾਮ ਕਵਨ ਗਤਿ ਮੋਰੀ ॥

Where should I go? My home is filled with bliss.

To him who is high-minded, these teachings will be illuminating.

Guru Nanak (right) and Bhai Mardana (foreground) with Bhagat Kabir (left). This painting is found in the B-40 Janamsakhi, written and painted in 1733. The painting was made by Alam Chand Raj

The young and the old drink milk pudding, but these fools eat the cow's body.

Now here in this verse

Sain (a barber)

The views of Kabir are very much in parallel to the Advaita philosophy and it is obvious that as the disciple of Ramanandacharya he will carry forward with his chosen NIRGUN BHAKTI.

ਗੁਰ ਕਾ ਸਬਦੁ ਕਾਟੈ ਕੋਟਿ ਕਰਮ ॥੩॥੧॥

Sikhism is fundamentally rooted in BHAKTI tradition and thus ultimately in Sanatana Dharma. There is no doubt about it despite what modern McSikh acrobatics try to claim otherwise

— Kabir, III.2, Translated by Rabindranath Tagore

ਸਾਧਸੰਗਤਿ ਬੈਕੁੰਠੈ ਆਹਿ ॥੪॥੧੦॥

We can see that great saints like Kabir and Ravidas etc… descended from the Ramananda sampradaya which is still the largest ascetic order in India.

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ਮੁਆ ਕਬੀਰੁ ਰਮਤ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਾਮੈ

ਜਹਾ ਜਾਈਐ ਤਹ ਜਲ ਪਖਾਨ ॥

Let’s see what Gurbani has about Ramanandacharya’s views.

Where millions of Vishnus bow their heads, where millions of Brahmas are reading the Vedas,

Now that my time to die has come, I have come to dwell at Magahar! ||3||

ਨਾ ਹਮ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਨ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ ॥

Sant Kabir was staunchly against cow slaughter.

If Ram be within the image which you find upon your pilgrimage,

ਤੂ ਪੂਰਿ ਰਹਿਓ ਹੈ ਸਭ ਸਮਾਨ ॥

For a superficial McSikh who is interested only in separation and not enlightenment the views of Kabir can be easily shown as a denouncement of Hindu practices.

At the time of my death, I moved to Magahar. ||2||

ਜਿਉ ਜਲ ਛੋਡਿ ਬਾਹਰਿ ਭਇਓ ਮੀਨਾ ॥

Where the demi-gods and the munis are unnumbered, where millions of Saraswatis, goddess of music play the vina,

ਓਛੀ ਭਗਤਿ ਕੈਸੇ ਉਤਰਸਿ ਪਾਰੀ ॥੪॥

Kaashi and Magahar - I consider them the same.

I went to God's place, and worshipped Him there.

ਮੇਰਾ ਚਿਤੁ ਨ ਚਲੈ ਮਨੁ ਭਇਓ ਪੰਗੁ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

I am not a Hindu, nor am I a Muslim.

Without looking into one's heart, how can one reach paradise?

The divergence of Kabir’s views from Vedanta is seen in the fact that he fully opposed religious symbolism of ALL KINDS and not just IDOLS.

As mentioned above Guru Arjan Dev was talking from the perspective Sant Kabir whose views we have discussed much earlier here. We know that Sant Kabir continuing in the Ramanandi Sampradaya went further away from the mainstream ritualistic Hinduism and was journeying more towards a SEAMLESS Dharma.

यस्य देवे परा भक्तिः यथा देवे तथा गुरौ । तस्यैते कथिता ह्यर्थाः प्रकाशन्ते महात्मनः प्रकाशन्ते महात्मन इति ।

Wherever I go, I find water and stones.

Again we see that the originator of this Sant Sampraday himself talks about Brahman even in Gurbani.

He does not dwell at the Lord's Feet. ||3||

I am not a Hindu, nor am I a Muslim.

With inadequate devotion, how can anyone swim across? ||4||

ਪੂਜਨ ਚਾਲੀ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਠਾਇ ॥

ਏਕ ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰ ਲੇ ਰਿਦੈ ਨਮਸਕਾਰਉ ॥੩॥

Says Kabeer, unto whom should I tell this?

Ramarchan Paddati gives more info about his teachings.

ਮਰਨੁ ਭਇਆ ਮਗਹਰ ਕੀ ਬਾਸੀ ॥੩॥

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The Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy, is heaven. ||4||10||

One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru:

ਕਾਸੀ ਮਗਹਰ ਸਮ ਬੀਚਾਰੀ ॥

Let's look at the views of Sant Kabir

I wasted my whole life in the city of Shiva;

There the streams of light flow in all directions, few are the men who can cross to that shore!

ਏਕੋ ਸੇਵੀ ਅਵਰੁ ਨ ਦੂਜਾ ॥੨॥

There is a reason why I mention ROOTED and thus NOT implying that it belongs to one of the numerous sects in Sanatana Dharma like Shaivism, Vaishnavism, Shaktism, Smartism etc…

ਪੂਜਾ ਕਰਉ ਨ ਨਿਵਾਜ ਗੁਜਾਰਉ ॥

Hari is in the East, Allah is in the West.

ਤਬ ਲਗੁ ਹੋਇ ਨਹੀ ਚਰਨ ਨਿਵਾਸੁ ॥੩॥

ਬੇਦ ਪੁਰਾਨ ਸਭ ਦੇਖੇ ਜੋਇ ॥

ਅਲਹ ਰਾਮ ਕੇ ਪਿੰਡੁ ਪਰਾਨ ॥੪॥

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Sriraag / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 92

I am a sacrifice to You, O my True Guru.

ਸਗਲ ਜਨਮੁ ਸਿਵ ਪੁਰੀ ਗਵਾਇਆ ॥

Shvetashvatara Upanishad (6.23)

As long as the mind is filled with the desire for heaven,

ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਰਮਤ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ॥

The influence of Kabir is significant on Sikhism. The following Bani from Ang 1136 is attributed to GURU ARJAN DEV but if you observe at the end you can see that he was talking in the spirit of Sant Kabir.

If God be within the mosque, then to whom does this world belong?

ਬਹੁਤੁ ਬਰਸ ਤਪੁ ਕੀਆ ਕਾਸੀ ॥

I am like a fish out of water,